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Dem Evangelicals …

Came across this interesting blogpost via PZ Myers’ blog. It is about some interesting results from «Pew Research Forum on Religion and Public Life» which had a survey of the opinions of evangelical leaders attending a conference last year. Leaders from all over the world were included and there are some interesting cultural differences noted in the blogpost. You can read about that there, but the point I found most interesting and disappointingly unsurprising was that fact that the rejection of evolution was almost complete. Given the option of Evolution (but not excluding God), Intelligent Design and traditional creationism, 47% chose creationism, 41% chose ID and only 3% chose evolution. The error margins are usually a few percent. The number of evangelical leaders who said it is not “essential to follow the teachings of Christ in one’s personal and family life” was also 3%, so clearly the error margins are in that range. It is disappointing that so many evangelical, near all, reject a well established and well proven scientific theory. The author of the blogpost concludes:

Rejection of evolution is not simply a theological side issue in evangelical Christianity, but appears to be a defining feature.

There are other interesting things gathered from this survey as well, about their attitude towards atheists for instance. Interesting read:

Full post: Evangelicals, evolution and atheism: the 2011 Pew Foundation survey

The complete theory of evolutio

A Case of Creationist Projection

I usually don’t think the fundies over at Answers in Genesis is worthy much attention, but this article by head crackpot Ken Ham titled The Emotional Age Issue caught my eye. It says for instance:

Increasingly, I’ve noticed that when the media write reports about us, they often don’t mention the scientific points we present in our rebuttal of evolution, but instead state something like this (these words appeared in our local newspaper):

The Creation Museum employs scientists of its own but has been criticized by the larger scientific community for positions it takes that conflict with mainstream scientific belief. For example, the museum contends the Earth is 6,000 years old, rather than about 4.5 billion. It also shows humans living at the same time as dinosaurs, which most scientists say never happened.

Why is the age of the earth such a big issue with secular scientists and the media? And why is it that after biblical creationists have written so many books and scientific peer-reviewed papers that contradict the supposed billions of years for the age of the earth/universe, and expose the fallible dating methods devised by man, secularists still scoff?

Well, here’s the bottom line: For secularists to even postulate the idea of evolution, they have to also postulate an incomprehensible amount of time (billions and billions of years) so that the universe and life might have enough time to evolve. Even with billions of years, though, evolution is impossible. Mathematically and scientifically. But secularists aggressively promote billions of years to make evolution a plausible idea.

The DevilThis got to be the worst case of projection I have seen from that gang in a while. These people look at the world purely through their fundamentalist religion, and seemingly cannot conceive that an objective scientific approach can exist. And further, if such an objective approach should exists, surely it would confirm their beliefs? Since it doesn’t, it naturally cannot be objective, and thus has a faith based agenda against God. I.e. a plot instigated by the devil himself.

What they so completely fail to grasp is that science do not care for faith-based preconceptions based on ancient mythology. Science investigate the nature and build models upon what they find. If the data actually agreed with the 6000 year-old-earth view, we’d still have that view. But there is absolutely nothing in nature that supports such an age-estimate. On the contrary. It cannot be stressed enough how vast the pile of evidence against such a claim is, and how consistent our scientific theories and the data is with the old earth and old universe model. There is no doubt at all for anyone who look at it objectively. It is not just evolution. Geology, palaeontology, anthropology,  cosmology and probably more fields of science, I forget, all agree on these things. Most importantly geology and cosmology who are completely unrelated fields to biology and each other. It is not a huge conspiracy involving millions of scientists and nearly 200 years of scientific progress, it is the truth. Deal with it!

Religion and the supernatural is not within range of scientific investigation as there isn’t much about it that is possible to investigate, other than perhaps secondary effects like miracles which constantly and consistently fails to be confirmed. They are basically just claims that many people agree upon and are emotionally attached to. Well, that is fine, people are free to do that, and they should be, but seriously, what do they have to gain by insisting on a version of reality, that for one is not necessary in order to believe in a god, and secondly is highly inconsistent with the real world? They are shooting themselves in the foot when trying to object to reality based on dogmatic interpretation of ancient texts. These interpretations are a legacy from pre-scientific ages, and seemed reasonable enough then. They aren’t any more. Welcome to the 21st century, the progress of the 19th and 20th century is required reading. You seem to have missed that too.

Science can answer moral questions

Sam Harris has made an excellent albeit a bit short TED talk about science and moral questions:

He naturally got a lot of negative critique for this talk. He is not claiming that science can dictate morals exactly, what he is saying is that there are moral truths to be known.  The fact that science has no complete explanation for reality, does not prevent the existence of scientific truths, as does not the lack of a scientific model for morals prevent there from being any moral truths.

Sam Harris has posted a response to the critique here:
Moral confusion in the name of “science”

The tension between science and religion

A talk by physicist Steven Weinberg. It is well worth the listen.

“Steven Weinberg, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at the University of Texas at Austin, where he founded its Theory Group and holds the Josey Regental Chair of Science, was awarded the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics with colleagues Abdus Salam and Sheldon Glashow for combining electromagnetism and the weak force into electroweak force. He has written several popular books including the prize-winning The First Three Minutes, The Discovery of Subatomic Particles, and Dreams of a Final Theory.”

Liberals vs. Fundies

This story popped up both in my New Scientist and my Panda’s Thumb feeds today.

New Scientist: Christians battle each other over evolution
Panda’s Thumb: But it’s not about religion …

Homer Eating PopcornSo basically, we have the Discovery Institute, the pseudo-scientific Seattle organization, promoting Intelligent Design, who has launched a new website, Faith+Evolution. There they ask: “Can you believe in God and evolution at the same time?”, to which question they answer no.

On the other side we have the BioLogos Foundation, who is a foundation saying the opposite, and thus trying to force science and faith together. They state: “The BioLogos Foundation promotes the search for truth in both the natural and spiritual realms seeking harmony between these different perspectives.”

The latter organization is headed up by the former head of the Human Genome Project, which is a great scientific project on its own. Nevertheless, I don’t really see how you can unify science and religion completely. You will always have to have a neutral zone in between two such opposing and contradicting approaches to reality and truth. However I can see how honest scientists who also happen to hold religious views would want to do this, but I fear it is doomed to fail nonetheless. I think the concluding comment on the New Scientist article says it well.

Watching the intellectual feud between the Discovery Institute and BioLogos is a bit like watching a race in which both competitors are running full speed in the opposite direction of the finish line. It’s a notable contest, but I don’t see how either is going to come out the winner.

Still I believe that BioLogos has a much better argument, and would easily counter any brute ignorance from the Discovery Institute. At least this time, the scientific community and the skeptics can sit back and enjoy the show :)